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  • The S Style – An Everything DiSC® Podcast
    • The S Style – An Everything DiSC® Podcast
      Dr. Mark Scullard: All right, so we’re going to spend some time talking about the S style, steadiness, and if you have an S style, I think what you’ll find is that, you know, roughly 70, 80 percent of what we’re going to be talking about, this is going to fit you. Some of it will be spot on, there’ll be a little bit that feels like, yeah, that’s not really me or that was me when I was a little younger. But I think the value here is more about listening for those insights that really help you make sense of your past experiences or help you see your thought processes or your habits in a new light.
      So we’re going to take a look at all of these characteristics associated with the style, things like being patient and accommodating, being a good listener, and there’s really one underlying theme that really ties them all together. And that is: we find in this style there’s this really strong need for harmony, a strong need to know that things are running smoothly and evenly, that there’s minimal tension, that there’s no looming dangers on the horizon. Basically, the S style wants to know that there’s harmony when it comes to both their relationships and their tasks. And it sounds pretty—and it sounds pretty straightforward, right.
      But what we’ll see as we unpack this style is that this single need has a huge number of implications for how we approach life, our work, our family, our friends. And so, to start off, let’s talk about harmony on the interpersonal side. So if you have an S style, the need and the preference for harmony probably plays a pretty big role in shaping how you see other people. Generally speaking, there’s this really strong bias to give other people the benefit of the doubt, to put the behavior of other people in the best possible light, to interpret underlying intentions in the most favorable way possible. And so when someone makes an excuse, we’re inclined to believe it. We—we want to believe good things about people. And so we’re very patient with other people’s mistakes, very supportive of friends, won’t point out flaws even if we see them.
      But truthfully, we’re simply less likely to see the flaws in the first place. We’re very quick to see another person’s point of view. If someone has a difference of opinion, were inclined to consider maybe our ideas are the ones that need to be reconsidered. And there are positive sides to this for sure. But there are also some downsides, you know, potentially, for instance, being more suggestible or continuing to give someone chances long after everyone else would have written that person off. But this forgiveness piece is there not only because we trust other people’s underlying intentions, but also because of this foundational need for harmony, the desire to return the relationship to balance and goodwill.
      And so, again, this opens us up the possibility of being manipulated. And of course, no one likes being manipulated. But if someone has to, on the one hand, take the risk of being deceived versus, on the other hand, take the risk of doubting someone who was sincere, most people with the S style are going to err on the side of being too trusting. And you actually get the exact opposite reaction on the other side of the DiSC® circle. Over there, there’s often a pride that keeps many people guarded against looking or feeling foolish. With the S style, being cold or uncaring is much more unpalatable than the potential of ever looking foolish.
      Now, something else you’ll often find with the S style’s need for harmony is a really strong desire to avoid conflict. Conflict is, of course, the exact opposite of harmony. So it makes absolute perfect sense that even the vague potential for conflict can be stressful and the S style will not only avoid the things that cause conflict, but they’ll also avoid the things that cause the things that cause conflict. Like, for instance, generally avoiding argumentative people. And when they find themselves being forced to work with an aggressive person, they may be inclined to cave in at the moment, but then they’re going to go out of their way to work around that person in the future, because having to argue for every single point to get your perspective across, it’s exhausting, particularly for this style.
      And in group situations, the S style often plays the peacemaker role, trying to make everyone happy or find compromises. They put their own needs aside and focus on getting harmony restored, which in some respects actually is their need. And it’s interesting because in many instances, this need for harmony even extends to the ideas that are being discussed. For instance, in a—in a group meeting, there’s this drive to—to make ideas work, especially if there’s someone else’s ideas. And the emotional reward for making an idea work is that it reduces tension in that meeting, the tension of not knowing, uh, the tension of having to push and come up with an idea, that mental struggle, or the tension of having to disagree with someone else or having to shoot their ideas down.
      And so people with the S style usually come across as very agreeable when someone else pitches an idea. What they might not realize in the moment, though, is that some people are actually more likely to respect the opinion of a person who’s known to be challenging or skeptical. And someone is always agreeable, can sometimes appear to be less discerning or not really a strong, critical thinker, regardless of how sharp the person actually is.
      But back to conflict—the initial instinct, then, is to smooth things over with the S style, but if things get really heated, there’s often this tendency to just shut down and silently wait for the tension to pass. And on the surface, it usually looks like the S style is calm and they’re not too bothered by the whole situation. But underneath, there can be a whole lot of stress going on. In fact, in general, the S style has this real tendency to internalize their stress, to put a lot of pressure on themselves to mentally figure things out, but to not burden other people with the weight of their problems. And actually what sometimes happens is these—these two opposing strategies on conflict.
      On the one hand, there’s a lot of ruminating, and on the other hand, a lot of kind of glossing things over in their minds, you know, putting things out of their mind, pretending everyone’s just fine, uh, maybe even sometimes bordering on—on denial. And both approaches can be adaptive at times, but they can also both have their downsides, obviously. Ruminating, like, for instance, fretting over a problem or playing that problem over and over again in my head—in essence, what I’m trying to do there is, it’s an attempt to reduce tension, to get harmony by replaying the incident in my head over and over, hoping that, you know, this time I replay it, I’m going to get some resolution, I’m going to get some closure on it. But of course, I rarely actually do get a sense of closure by ruminating. I just end up stressing myself out.
      Now, if—if you do have an S style, as you’ve gotten older, hopefully more mature, maybe not, but hopefully more mature, you may have developed more comfort with other strategies for dealing with conflict, maybe more direct strategies. But that instinct for harmony is oftentimes always going to be kind of pulling us back from the fray a little bit, telling us to just end this thing as quickly as possible with as little bloodshed as possible. And so there’s always that temptation to either withdraw or cave in just so we can have peace again.
      Now, at this point, I want to pull back a little and introduce this idea of driving assumptions. These are unspoken belief systems that each of us has, beliefs that are usually well outside of our awareness. But they’re assumptions that we have about how the world works. And because they’re assumptions and because they’re unconscious, we don’t question them. We just assume they’re true. So, for instance, for the S style, one of these assumptions is: if my world isn’t in harmony, things are bad. And I call it a driving assumption because this little belief that we probably came up with when we were three or four, it drives a huge amount of our behavior and it drives a lot of how we interpret the different events in our lives.
      So for the rest of this talk, I want to discuss some of these assumptions, and if you have an S styles, you might find yourself a little torn. You might find yourself saying, on the one hand, you know, this assumption is just plain stupid. I’d be embarrassed to admit that I believe something like that. At the same time, though, there might also be some part of you that kind of actually does believe it. You don’t really want to admit it, but you kind of know it’s there. The thing you should know, though, is that this is true for everyone.
      We all have these unspoken beliefs about the world that on the surface they’re kind of ridiculous or even embarrassing. And if you examine them in the light of day, it’s like, you know, this is how a child sees the world, not an adult. But to the degree that these assumptions are legitimately there, going on in the background of our mind, and we go on not owning them or refusing to acknowledge them, they have that much more power to shape our lives and guide us towards decisions that aren’t always in our long term best interest.
      All right, so, here’s another driving assumption. And if you have an S style, try it on. Ask yourself if there’s some part of you that believes this even in a small way. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. But so here it is: I should never be the source of someone else’s unhappiness. And it’s a very simple statement, but it can have a really powerful influence on our behavior, and the statement can take on a variety of different forms, like: I should never burden other people. Nobody should ever think I’m selfish. If someone is displeased with me, I’ve done something wrong. But the basic theme is not making other people unhappy, not troubling them.
      Okay, so think about all of the ways this assumption would affect someone’s behavior if they had really, really incorporated it into their worldview. So one of the implications is something we just talked about, not burdening anyone else, keeping things inside, internalizing problems, not asking for favors, not asking for help, you know, being willing to take on immense workloads by ourselves, dealing with frustration internally rather than upsetting a relationship, or not telling people that were unhappy with them and even, to some degree, putting the blame on ourselves, worrying about situations where we may have offended someone.
      And so if you’ve got an S style, you probably have a strong instinct to protect other people’s feelings. And in fact, it may not occur to you just how much of your energy is actually being consumed by trying to understand and cater to other people’s feelings. You may not realize just how much more efficient it would be to just tell people what you’re thinking without filtering it and, you know, and—and adjusting it for their emotional response. Often with the S style, when they’re talking with someone, they’re used to running through a variety of different ways to phrase something so that it’s least offensive.
      But there’s a side—you know, there’s a downside to this, which is that it can also make them appear more hesitant or more unassertive when they’re talking. But that’s part of making sure I don’t say something that hurts another person. There’s also almost an unconscious assumption that they should live up to other people’s expectations. So if, for example, someone’s showing impatience in a conversations, I see that and now I work extra hard to speed things up in the conversation or to get the information they want to them more quickly. Basically, I internalize this—this pressure to attend to the other person’s expectations of how the conversation should go. And so one of the consequences of this that’s very subtle on the one hand, but also something that registers with other people on an unconscious level, is this eagerness to please.
      That is, in social situations, to what degree is someone with the S style unintentionally giving off small cues that give away their social power—things like asking questions rather than making declarative statements or making a point to laugh whenever someone makes a joke, no matter how bad the joke might be, because they’re trying to make the other person feel comfortable, or nodding a lot to make sure the other person feels accepted. Maybe focusing on the other person’s topic rather than their own topic, maybe turning away eye contact first, making themselves physically smaller by, for instance, putting their hands in their pockets or—or taking on a more gentle, quiet tone, looking down, matching the other person’s pace and tone rather than asserting their own pace and tone, qualifying their statements with things like “kind of” or “sort of” or “this is probably a bad idea” or going out of their way to agree with the other person’s statements, sometimes smiling awkwardly, again, with a purpose of communicating acceptance.
      And all of these gestures really do come from a good place, but socially, they can slowly hamper a person’s ability to influence or even really just to get credit for their abilities. And a large part of this is because these gestures can, often mistakenly, send a message that says: I’m unsure of myself. And even more than that, they unconsciously send the message that I’m trying to please you. And this translates into “you have more power in the relationship”.
      Now, for most people with the S style, they’re not particularly power hungry. They want to work with people rather than above them. Power, for a lot of them, can actually feel uncomfortable, like, for instance, even delegating can—can feel uncomfortable. Like I’m telling someone, here, you do this instead of me. And there’s a number of reasons for this, but one of them is, having power over someone can feel like you’re controlling them or even harming them, like you’re violating someone’s rights by having dominance over them. You know, it’s not a rational thing. It’s more of an instinctive thing, almost like being allergic to showing dominance. And it’s something I can show up in a lot of different ways, for instance, a lack of comfort in defeating someone or clearly outperforming another person.
      People with the S style, they want to make sure the other person feels good about their performance to. Okay, and we’ll get back to this whole issue of power in a second, but—but the point I want to emphasize here is more about influence and to some degree about getting the credit they deserve. Basically, all of these cues that I was talking about earlier can slowly erode their ability to get their needs met, to have their needs prioritized by other people, or sometimes to really even have their rights respected. And so if you take that a step further, the idea of being outright aggressive is pretty hard for someone with the S style. After years of training, the brain is now telling them: aggressiveness, that’s the behavior of a bad person. It violates this core principle of do no harm. And so even showing forcefulness in smaller ways is avoided.
      And if you work with a lot of strong personalities and you find it exhausting to use force, your needs and your ideas are unfortunately going to get dismissed a lot. And most people with the S style actually do recognize this and—and in fact, can be very self-conscious about being seen as timid. On the other hand, mustering up the energy and force necessary to get their say in those environments can be really exhausting, especially in the long run. You know, generally, they really just don’t want to be in one of those environments where they constantly have to fight.
      But to a less extreme extent, even in regular social interaction can feel a little draining at times for the S style, and I—I think a lot of it can be traced back to this belief that I should keep people happy. That is, if we’re expending so much unconscious energy to make sure everyone is happy and to make sure other people are enjoying our company, we can sometimes eventually find ourselves unconsciously wanting to avoid those social situations because processing all of that information, that’s—that’s draining. Thinking about other people’s needs, not being able to let our guard down, that’s draining. And because of that, alone time can seem like a particularly attractive option.
      Now, I—I do want to pull back again to the big picture, because, again, all of these tendencies I’ve been talking about, they can be traced back to this driving assumption: I should never be the source of someone else’s unhappiness. And so if you have an S style and if you’ve really internalized this belief, it really, really, really makes sense that you wouldn’t want to be aggressive, that you want to please people in a conversation, that you don’t want to impose on anyone, and even that you’re going to be slow to push back against someone or stick up for your rights. And in this light, all of these habits make absolute, perfect sense.
      Okay, so there’s another few driving assumptions that I want to introduce, and again, if you have an S style, these may or may not fit you, but it—it’s worth trying them on, asking yourself if you can see at least some part of you that believes these statements. All right, so here’s the next one: I’m only half pretending that I know what I’m doing. And it—it’s almost a little bit comical how blunt this is. You know, on the other hand, we can all feel like this at some times, but people in the S region of the Everything DiSC® map might find this script playing in the back of their heads a little more often than other people.
      And there’s some other related assumptions, things like: my opinions are only half baked, or: other people’s opinions must be more informed than mine. In essence, these beliefs stem back to this hyper-awareness of how incredibly fallible I am, how many possible ways I could go wrong, how often I make mistakes. And it’s not that people with the S style make more mistakes than other people, it’s that they’re more aware of them. But more importantly here, they’re more aware of the potential that they can make them in the future. And it’s this hyper-awareness that can have a lot of implications for how they live their lives and how they manage their relationships.
      So modesty is often one of the first characteristics that comes to mind for the S style. There’s not a lot of self-promotion that goes on here, and so, again, their contributions can sometimes fly under the radar because of this. And this isn’t to say that they don’t appreciate recognition. They really do. But there’s also an embarrassment about it. Oftentimes, there’s an assumption that when we’re given a compliment, we have to play it down, say it was no big deal or that the idea was just common sense, even though we do actually take pride in the compliment. And compared to a lot of other people, the S style tends to be okay working in the background. They really want acceptance in the group. They don’t necessarily need to be adored or admired or to have the limelight. They’re okay with a supporting role. And in some respects this is about realism. It ties back to that hyper-awareness of their own limitations, but also a hyper-awareness of other people’s needs, which they really realize are just as important as their own.
      There was this, uh, there was a short story that I read in high school, and for whatever reason it stayed with me all this time. The story’s about this teenager, a guy, and his buddy’s girlfriend has her friend coming into town. So the buddy asks our guy to do him a favor and go out on a double date with this visiting friend. So the guy is dreading the date and being stuck with this girl for the whole night. But it turns out the girl is absolutely stunning. She’s gorgeous. He’s smitten. So he spends the whole night putting the moves on, you know, but he’s not getting anywhere. She’s shy, right?
      Finally, they’re on the train coming back from the city and he—he tries to put his arm around her. And as she moves away from him for like the third time, he has this lightning bolt of a realization, he says to himself, oh my gosh, I am the blind date. He realizes that he’s the nuisance, that she, in fact, is the main character and he is just some passing extra in her story. She’s the one doing the favor for her friend. He’s just some creepy guy who can’t take a hint. He sees himself through her eyes and realizes how unimportant he is in her life. It’s you know, it’s—it’s crushing for him and it’s humbling. He feels, you know, utterly marginalized.
      But the truth is, most people that we come in contact with, we really are just extras in their story. And the S style has a much better grasp of this truism than the average person, because for most of us, it feels like we’re always the main character. Things revolve around us. But for the S style, there’s this hyper-awareness of other people’s needs and priorities, sometimes so much so that our needs get pushed to the background. And while other DiSC® styles are inclined to maybe overestimate their rights, the S style is inclined to underestimate their rights. And so, while people who think very highly of their rights, they get angry very often, the flip side of that is people who have a diminished sense of their rights, they’re less prone to get angry. People with the S style, they’re much more likely to put themselves in the other person’s shoes and realize, hey, you know, I can understand why she’s acting like that, or even just assume that the other person has a good reason, even if they don’t know what it is.
      Now, at this point, though, I think it—it’s worth asking if something even more foundational is going on with this inclination towards modesty. And admittedly, this is—this is pretty speculative. But I think sometimes there’s a connection between modesty and a need for safety. And let me explain this a little. If we think about the opposite of modesty, arrogance, well, what do arrogant people do? They brag, they throw their opinions out there when no one’s asked for them, they seize power. Basically, they expand themselves. They make themselves bigger, more noticeable.
      But one of the consequences of making yourself more noticeable is that you’re more exposed, you’re more of a target. More people are going to realize when you’ve screwed up or when you don’t know what you’re talking about. And so one of the benefits of being modest is that you make yourself less noticeable, you’re less of a target, you have more safety. And sometimes there’s even an instinct to attach oneself to someone who projects more strength or confidence or competence. There’s a safety and a security in that. Again, we come back to this overriding priority, which is harmony, wanting things to be smooth and steady and secure, even if it means less power or influence.
      Now, again, part of this desire for security is because there’s such an acute awareness in the S style of their own limitations and all of the unknowns in the world. As a means of contrast, you know, take someone with a super high-powered, domineering type personality. They’re much more likely to have a narrow focus on their goals and disregard for any information that might hinder their accomplishment, you know, the accomplishment of that goal. They’re going to brush off the warning signs that their judgment might be flawed. People with the S style, on the other hand, tend to over-absorb information and danger cues. And there’s this indecisiveness that comes with not being too narrow-minded, being too aware of all of the endless choices and all of the possible ways that it could screw up.
      So, as an analogy, imagine our hard charging dominant person crossing a tightrope. Her attention is purely focused on the goal and the goal is the platform at the end of the rope. And therefore she’s confident she’s going to reach it. She doesn’t look down. With the S style, they’re all too aware of the surrounding dangers. They look down, side to side, they test the wind. Their confidence is lower because they’re over-processing. In a lot of cases, they’re really better off just focusing on the goal and tuning out all of those dangers, even if it can feel a little reckless. Compared to other people, the S style really feels this full weight of responsibility for being a lone agent in the world, you know, entirely responsible for making choices among an almost infinite universe of possible options.
      It’s kind of an existential thing, to be honest. This realization, like, you mean I alone am responsible for my fate? Seriously? I’m the only one keeping myself from falling off a cliff? Who am I to know the answers? And I think this is most pronounced as kids, as children, this overbearing weight of responsibility. It’s almost as if the S style was put alone in the cockpit, you know, with no one else to rely on to land the plane. There’s no expert. Somehow they’re supposed to know how to do this task with this infinite number of ways to fail. And so in cases like this, it’s very tempting to turn the wheel over to an expert, whatever form that might take. There’s this huge sigh of relief.
      And sometimes you do need to do that. But it’s about how often we’re tempted to turn over the wheel. And in the S region of the map, the temptation can be particularly strong, especially when we’re young, and it can undercut the belief that I can do these things myself and that things will be okay even if I truly am the only one that’s at the wheel. And so one of the things people with the style sometimes do to overcome this is to spend a lot of time developing expertise in whatever area before they present themselves as being ready for prime time. Only with that expertise do they feel confident enough to really put their weight behind their arguments.
      And it might even be as simple as presenting a specific idea in a meeting, for instance. Whereas other people might have an idea and they—they blurt it out, people towards the bottom of the Everything DiSC® map, like the S style and the C style, they’ll work through an idea in their heads until they’re absolutely sure they can defend it, until they’re sure there are no holes in it. Only then do they wait for the right opportunity or a lull in the conversation to make a pitch. And even then it’s likely to be done in kind of a—a tentative, more qualified way. Again, there’s this desire to minimize exposure. So from other people’s perspectives, it can sometimes be tough to figure out where the S style really stands. You know, people are asking themselves, well, what’s their real preference?
      And then this hesitancy can be even multiplied when it comes to leading people. Now I’m exposed to the judgment of all of these people who expect that I know what I’m doing. There’s this lingering danger that they’ll call me out for any misstep and say, who do you think you are? You know, it’s that danger of being found out, of having other people realize that I don’t actually deserve to be in charge. And like we mentioned before, I might already kind of have that belief that I only half know what I’m doing at any given moment already. Not only can I make mistakes that ruin things for me, but now I can ruin things for other people. I’m responsible for other people’s well-being.
      So one strategy the S style might take on, for better or for worse, is to avoid speaking or acting authoritatively, because if I act authoritatively, I take on the full responsibility for making a bad choice. But if I democratize our decisions, we share the weight equally. Likewise, I don’t want to criticize the people I lead because if I push them too far, there’s that elevated danger that they’re going to call me out for not being, you know, a real leader. Better to keep myself in check than to have someone else do it for me. I might even look for ways to give power away, you know, monitoring my words to make sure that I don’t come across as a dictator.
      And then, as a little bit of an aside here, as a manager, sometimes people with the S style are also slow to manage up for their teams, to push to get the resources that their teams need or to stick up for the teams’ rights. Again, it’s because this style really doesn’t wanna push or pressure anyone. But understandably, it can be frustrating for the members of the team, the people that they lead. Or a slightly different issue, even when they are in an official leadership role, people with the style often can have trouble pushing for change or pushing back against the status quo, because in an organization, when you want things to change, you’re often going to meet resistance, which is the opposite of harmony. So there may be times when I, as an S leader, sometimes let problems persist way too long or where I don’t really speak out against them because this is usually the kind of stuff that causes tension.
      All right, but having talked so much about limitations here, I—I do think it’s important to note all of the truly amazing things that the S style does bring to leadership, because there really are a lot of them. And it comes back to this modesty and this attention to other people’s needs. And so, actually, let me step back for a second and talk about some general aspects of human nature, particularly as it pertains to leadership. There have been a number of studies where we find that people who are given power are much more likely to exploit or objectify others. It’s a quirk of human nature. It probably doesn’t surprise you. If you’re put in a position of power, you quickly begin to feel that, you know, you just don’t need to put as much energy into reading other people’s actions or emotions.
      So the average person stops spending so much energy on this stuff; we become less attentive to the internal experiences of other people, what’s going on, their heads, what, you know, what—what are their priorities are. You know, think about it: do you spend more time thinking about your boss’s mood or does your boss spend more time thinking about your mood? Probably the first one. Power reduces perspective taking. That is, when we’re feeling powerful, we put less effort into seeing things from someone else’s point of view. We’re also less likely to see other people’s contributions. There’s a whole field of research on this. So the great thing about the S style, then, is there’s much more immunity to these negative influences of power.
      And our own research actually shows that compared to other leaders, the S style gets significantly higher ratings from other people on things like staying open to input, showing diplomacy, facilitating dialogue. And these are really important leadership qualities. And of course, on the flip side of that, in the follower role, these qualities are just as important. Generally speaking, people with the S style tend to be pretty respectful of authority and frankly, a lot of time, they might not even really consider questioning it. A lot of that ties back to this very trusting nature, a willingness to say, well, I—I guess they know, and sometimes honestly underestimating their own judgment.
      In fact, if another person shows really strong self-assurance, the other person with the S style is often just naturally inclined to believe them, because that person with the S style, they don’t really show that level of intense self-confidence unless they’re absolutely certain, unless there’s positively no doubt in their mind, and so they project that onto the other person. Now, on the positive side, though, the S style, again, is still being very open input in the follower role, really hearing what other people have to say, genuinely considering other people’s points of view. It’s much easier for them to take their ego out of the equation. And that’s huge in an organization. A lot of bad decisions get made in companies precisely because of ego.
      Okay, so at this point, let’s pull back again to talking about these driving assumptions. And we’ve talked about beliefs about not making other people unhappy and feeling a little bit like an imposter. I think there’s another important one which people with the S style sometimes find rattling around in the back of their heads. Again, not true of everyone, but worth considering. So here it is: I can show my value by helping people. And one of the key words in that sentence is value—it doesn’t feel like a key word, but it actually is crucial.
      One of the core needs that every human being shares is this need to feel like they’re valuable, like they have worth. We all have that need in common, but we can have different ideas about what gives value to a person. Sometimes people feel like it’s about my accomplishments or it’s about getting attention or it’s about connecting with other people or it’s about being competent. Again, these can be very unconscious assumptions and not necessarily the kind of things we’re always proud to admit. Everyone has them. And so for the S style, one of those assumptions is often about my value being shown when I’m helping other people. Or another way to phrase this is: I’m valuable because I make other people happy.
      And so to the degree that someone has this assumption in the back of their heads, they’re going to be very accommodating. They’re going to adjust to other people’s needs and minimize their own needs. They’re going to let other people know that they’re always available to help. They’re going to have difficulty saying no, because a good person in this framework, a good person helps others. It’s part of what makes me a decent human being. One of the other qualities that you often see in the S style is listening, a willingness to put in whatever amount of time helping the other person feel like they’re important and that their concerns matter.
      The idea of just cutting someone off, it—it doesn’t even really feel like an option to the S style. You’re just not allowed to do that. So a lot more time is spent listening than speaking. In fact, a lot of times people with the S style will just assume others don’t have much interest in hearing about the S’s experiences or ideas. They worry about boring people. And so as a consequence, they can be hesitant or tentative when speaking, you know, always testing out the waters to make sure the other person is still interested, which in turn can actually make the other person less interested because they’re not picking up on the passion for what’s being said and—and that’s just not as engaging.
      The listening, though, that is something that people really appreciate, although sometimes it takes them a while to realize just how much they appreciate it, you know. It’s—it’s subtle. Being a good listener, almost by definition, doesn’t draw attention to itself. But it is so neat. I mean, really, how often do you have someone truly showing intense interest in your world? It feels good. It’s validating. And—and for the listener, the person with the S style, there’s usually a genuine interest in the other person’s life. But there’s also sometimes kind of a secondary motivation, and it ties back to this assumption that I can show my value by helping people and listening and listening earns appreciation, sometimes even affection.
      And so, sometimes early in life, people with the S style realize that, hey, this is a, you know, this is a pretty effective strategy for connecting with people, for fitting in. I ask questions, I listen, I show interest—it’s a really reliable tool in a social setting. And so over a lifetime, people with the S style really hone this listening skill. And even bigger than that, they hone a natural attentiveness to other people’s needs, and they they learn to pick up on happiness cues or sadness cues or anger cues. And this can be a tremendous asset that even they don’t realize they have.
      All right, so that’s that driving assumption, and we’ve talked about a few, but before we wrap things up, I do want to double back to that first one, the first assumption, because I think it’s one of the most central. It’s this assumption that says: if my world isn’t in harmony, then things are bad. It’s the harmony thing, right. And so if I have internalized this assumption, then chaos is bad. I need to have things stable. Consequently, I’m going to tend to be careful. I’m going to minimize the potential for mistakes. I prefer not to have unclear expectations. I want to know what I’m getting myself into. And sometimes I might need to have an unrealistic level of information before I truly feel comfortable making a decision or speaking out with an opinion. And that can seem hesitant or wishy washy.
      Now, on the other hand, I might be willing to stick with the status quo because at least I know exactly what I’ll get out of the situation if I put in the required effort. And I’m usually persistent and conscientious enough to put in that effort, you know, and then I get steady, predictable progress. And so, generally speaking, there’s much more focus on the downside of failure compared to the benefits of success. So working within the existing structure, that feels much more secure. I might get very attached to certain routines, procedures, a certain piece of equipment, even. I like having a steady rhythm that I can maintain and to do it tirelessly, even over an extended period of time, and turn out this remarkably consistent progress day after day after day.
      And so if I’ve got an S style, there’s less of a tendency for me to get bored with routine compared to other styles. There’s also less of a tendency for me to generate a lot of urgency or momentum without prompting, because having steady established patterns really feels like my comfort zone. And so obviously it can be a little disturbing when I’m forced to give these things up, to change the routine or the world that’s comfortable and secure for me. That security’s—it’s like a friend. It feels good to have around me. And so oftentimes when there’s a major change in an organization, people with this S style can feel a sense of loss or they can feel lost, feeling like everything’s foreign. It’s—it’s a surreal experience, like being completely uprooted. They don’t necessarily speak up about it or complain about it. But this foreignness can feel really lonely and really, not to be too dramatic, but almost kind of like the death of a friend.
      So one of the general strategies to maintain harmony, again, for better or worse, is to minimize novelty, which means there’s less of an instinct to scan our environment for new opportunities or to dream up how things could be different. You know, for some people, they constantly have their eyes open towards the future and the outside world. They have this open posture towards the outside world and new opportunities, rather than one of reluctance. When a new or unexpected piece of information comes their way, they think, how can I make this work for me? or, you know, how can I take advantage of this? They simply don’t see the constraints that other people see.
      For people with the S style, though, they’re much more likely to see the value in what they already have in front of them, to get absorbed in the safety of their current world and putting out, you know, for instance, the day to day fires that come up. And so on the social front, for instance, it’s nice to have a small group of intimate friends that they know really well. And again, for better or worse, this can be a little bit insulating. They can take a little bit of comfort in being buffered from the unpredictability of the outside world. Now at work, particularly in a leadership or management or supervisory role, a resistance towards change, it—it can present a challenge sometimes. Incremental changes, you know, they might feel okay, but drastic new enterprises, on the other hand, they can feel really jarring.
      And so if I’ve got an S style, I might not even consider that these things are part of my role at work. There’s much more of an emphasis on maintaining than there is on changing. And so in this regard, I might really not call myself ambitious or even super driven. And—and that doesn’t even necessarily feel bad, at least partly because my self-esteem is a lot less tied to my accomplishments or my status. It’s tied to other things.
      Okay, but back to the steadiness and stability thing—the S style, as as a general observation, just tends to be more moderate in nature. They self-moderate, leaning towards, you know, middle of the road approaches. They use words like peaceful or calm or serene to describe themselves. They stay away from extremes of being melodramatic or catastrophizing on the one hand, but also of showing excessive enthusiasm or being showy. There’s a real modesty to this style, genuine modesty. And I think it’s one of the things about them that people really are genuinely attracted to.
      All right, so there’s a lot of information here, a lot of dimensions that we talked about. So how do you make sense of it, or rather, how do you put it to use? Well, I’ll just make one broad suggestion here, and it’s about these driving assumptions. And I think a practice that’s actually really powerful in terms of our growth as people is to simply monitor our behavior and our thoughts and start to notice when these assumptions are being played out in the background.
      And so let me give—just give you a reminder of what some of these assumptions are: I should never be the source of someone else’s unhappiness. I’m half pretending that I know what I’m doing. I show my value by helping people. If things are not harmonious, things are wrong and some of these are probably going to fit for you more than others, the whole exercise is about becoming more aware of when these assumptions are driving our behavior, our thoughts, our emotions.
      Sometimes they’re realistic, sometimes they’re not. But the first step is just about becoming consciously aware of them so I can make my decisions and choices in a more deliberate fashion. If the assumption’s realistic, you know, great, run with it, but if it’s not, then I learn to challenge it and replace it with a statement that’s more accurate, more fitting for the circumstances. And it definitely takes some time and deliberate effort. But ultimately I end up having more control over how I see the world and really how I interact with it.
      All right, well, thank you, everyone, for your time.
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  • The Si Style – An Everything DiSC® Podcast
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      Narrator: The following podcast by Dr. Mark Scullard describes the Si style. It is an
      Everything DiSC® production brought to you by Wiley.
      Dr. Mark Scullard: All right, so we’re going to spend some time talking about the Si
      style, and if you do have this style, I think what you’ll find is that, you know, roughly 70,
      80 percent of what we’re going to talk about will—will fit for you. You know, you know,
      some of it will be spot on and, you know, then there’s going to be parts that are like,
      yeah, that’s not really me. Um, you know, there might be some parts are like, well, that
      was me when I was younger.
      But I think the value here is more about listening for those insights that really help you
      make sense of your past experiences or really help you see your thought processes and
      your habits in a new light. So we’re going to take a look at all these differen t
      characteristics that are associated with the Si style, uh, things like being welcoming and
      trusting, easygoing, patient. And as we talk about these things, one of the things that
      we’re going to find is that there are some underlying themes that really tie them
      together. You know, actually what I would kind of call core psychological needs, like, for
      instance, you know, some people have a really strong need to be in charge or a really
      strong need to get attention or, you know, a really strong need to demonstrate their
      competence, you know. Some people have a, you know, a really strong need to avoid
      making mistakes.
      For the Si style, it’s a different set of needs and, you know, and one of the major ones is
      this strong need for harmony, where I can feel that, you know, everybody’s happy with
      one another, you know, we’re all on good terms, no one’s mad at me, you know, I
      haven’t upset anyone or disappointed anyone, all right. And then, you know, a second
      core need, which, you know, it’s not completely unrelated, is this need for connection.
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      And, you know, most people, most human beings, we’re—we’re often called social
      creatures, right, we all have this need to be connected to other people.
      But for the Si or the iS style, this need is particularly pronounced, you know, this is one
      of the kind of the core things that gives their lives meaning. And because it’s so
      valuable, threats to this sense of connection are going to feel particularly gut-wrenching,
      you know, or even scary. And, you know, when things feel scary, it really does—it
      affects our behaviors in a particularly powerful way. And then there’s this final need,
      which is the need for acceptance, you know. And again, this is something that everyone
      needs. But I think it’s particularly important for the Si or iS styles.
      And sometimes, this takes the form of kind of an underlying assumption that, you know,
      my value, at least in part, it really comes from belonging to a community, you know,
      whatever that community is, even if this is a more unconscious belief, which it really
      does tend to be. And so, as a result, being accepted feels really important to me, and,
      you know, I’m going to go out of my way to make sure that my belonging isn’t
      jeopardized in any way. So, you know, those three themes, you know, we’re going to
      see them kind of pop up again and again through the discussion, you know, even if
      those things are more subtle, you know.
      There’s the need for harmony, the need for connection, and then the need for
      acceptance. And one of the thing that all of these needs converge on is this very
      positive, very accepting outlook. You know, people with this style tend to have a very
      open posture towards life. They, you know, they take things as they come and they
      accept new circumstances. They have a kind of a much more fluid relationship with the
      world than the average person, you know, just trusting that letting people in or showing
      them true—their true selves, that that’s not going to be harmful, that, you know, that’s
      not going to lead to hurt. You know, they’re—they’re much more likely to allow
      themselves to be vulnerable.
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      Now, you know, I think in kind of maybe a less mature version of this style, there’s kind
      of this almost naive, you know, even if it’s pleasant, kind of a naive expectation
      sometimes that the world is such a good place that, you know, it’ll just take care of my
      needs with really little stress on my part, you know? But again, I think that’s kind of
      among maybe, uh, you know, less mature people with this style, and it’s probably not
      going to be true for the majority of people with it.
      And one of the things that I think is really illuminating, though, is if you contrast this with
      the opposite side of the Everything DiSC® circle. You know, that’s where we find people
      who are inherently more skeptical in nature, you know, and as a result of this
      skepticism, there’s often more guardedness there, you know, and there are good things
      and there are bad things about, you know, this more tough minded mentality. And on
      the positive side, they often have an easier time really being like, for instance, very firm
      with people compared to the Si style. You know, they’ll dig their heels in in the face of
      adversity and just, you know, keep pushing and, you know, pushing back. Uh, and, you
      know, because there’s this expectation that life is really tough and, you know, life is
      going to require a fight, there’s kind of this entrenched determination and resilience to
      just kind of stick with it rather than that instinct to kind of more go with the flow.
      Now, on the other hand, there’s kind of—you take a look at the kind of the downside of
      this more guarded disposition, um. And I think a lot of these examples come in the more
      interpersonal world, right. But let’s say, for instance, in a situation where someone is
      experiencing rejection or someone’s experiencing critical feedback from someone. Now,
      for most people, you know, regardless of where you fall on the DiSC® map, the reaction
      to rejection, you know, it’s going to feel hurt—you know, you’re going to feel insecure.
      For people who are more guarded—and again, I’m talking about people are—who are
      on the opposite side of the DiSC map from the Si style—uh, for those more guarded
      people, these feelings—like, you know, things like hurt and insecurity—these emotions
      just feel way too vulnerable. They feel way too soft, you know, they leave me exposed
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      in this tough world. And so my mind really doesn’t let me experience them as directly.
      Instead, I’m much more likely to kind of cover them up and—and feel anger or
      resentment or disgust, you know. These are more empowering emotions, you know.
      People don’t see these emotions as weak. But what they do do is they kind of cover up
      the hurt. They, you know, they make it extremely difficult for a person to understand
      what their genuine reaction was to the situation.
      And as a result, their judgment in how to fix the problem is actually kind of clouded and
      oftentimes maladaptive. So, conversely, I think this is an area of strength for the Si
      style, you know, even though it might not necessarily always feel like a strength, right.
      They’re more likely to experience hurt as hurt rather than the covered up version, you
      know, more in touch with the insecurities that are actually being provoked in the
      situation. And as a result, there’s much more of an opportunity to—for them to be
      honest with themselves, you know. And—and that’s a more healthy reaction.
      Now, there is kind of a downside to that. I think a less healthy temptation is to just kind
      of because you know it’s going to hurt, is to try to avoid the negative stuff to begin with.
      And so I’m in a situation, you know, and I sense, hey, there’s a high potential for
      rejection or criticism. And if that happens, it’s really going to hurt like hell, you know, and
      because I experience hurt so directly. So my unhealthy reaction, which, it’s unhealthy
      but it makes a lot of sense, is to just keep away from all that negativity, kind of gloss it
      over and, you know, to take myself out of a situation where there’s really any potential
      for that raw hurt, because, again, I feel it more directly than the average person.
      My defense mechanisms aren’t as primed to distort the information when it happens,
      kind of to—to twist it in a way that makes it more palatable for my ego, you know.
      Instead, my defense mechanism is to really just avoid the negative to begin with. So
      let’s take that and say, you know, look at it in a work context, uh, you know, the Si style
      has this very positive, welcoming presence, but at the same time, the tasks that require
      more criticism or negativity, those are ones that kind of tend to come less naturally. For
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      instance, let’s say in a meeting, when someone has a bad idea—we’ve all been in a
      meeting where someone had a bad idea—and rejecting that idea outright, for this style,
      it just feels so wrong because my instinct is to support and build up people, you know,
      and this tiny little act of rejection, it feels like a violation of a really core value that I hold,
      you know. I never want to be the person who, you know, crushes someone else’s
      passions.
      So, you know, so what do I do? You know? Well, maybe I hedge, or maybe I redirect
      the conversation to talk about something positive I see in the idea. But, you know,
      really, when you step back, I mean, that is a—a pretty inefficient way to approach this
      situation. You know, if I find a roundabout way to kind of steer the group’s direction
      away from a bad idea, I mean, that’s just kind of muddy communication. That bad idea
      the other person had, that idea gets to linger on in the background.
      And, you know, people are unclear about the status of the idea, you know, are, well, are
      we continuing in that direction? Is—are we considering that to be a good idea? Is that
      something we need to develop more or should we just forget about it? Because, you
      know, because I didn’t want to be that direct. And that’s a real danger, you know. And I
      think a slightly different danger is because I want other people to succeed so much, I
      really will hunt down the value in their idea or their work and focus on that—that—that
      good part, you know, because when someone says “I have a great idea!”, I’m really,
      really hoping that that idea is as good as they say, you know, compared to other people
      who might be, maybe, might be indifferent when someone says, “I have a great idea”, or
      might even actually be very naturally skeptical when someone says they have a good
      idea.
      So when that other person’s, you know, quote, “great idea” turns out to be problematic,
      I’m kind of faced with this kind of mini crisis. You know, I’m immediately put in a position
      that I hate being in where I have to choose between, on the one hand, letting this bad
      idea live on or potentially hurting someone’s feelings. And, you know, and part of that
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      stress that I’m doing is figuring out in my head the kind of the dance that I’m going to
      have to do to achieve both of those things. You know, and it really does, it feels like
      walking a tightrope. It’s—it’s very tense.
      In fact, we have kind of a—a 360 assessment tool where leaders get feedback from
      their managers, their direct reports, and their peers, and the area where people with the
      Si and iS styles, where they get the lowest ratings is about speaking up about problems,
      telling people when some sort of course correction is needed, you know, when there’s a
      problem with their work, you know. Actually and—and just by the way, as an aside, you
      know, leaders with the Si and iS styles, they do, as leaders, kind of tend to get the
      highest overall ratings, right. So that is great, you know, and—and we’re going to look at
      some of those areas in a minute where, um, they get really high marks.
      But, you know, all of the styles really do have their challenges. And so out of, you know,
      24 different leadership behaviors, the one that they were the lowest on was speaking up
      about problems. And I think, you know, even though part of it is actually about saying
      something about problems, I think there is also another part of this, which is really about
      seeing the problem in the first place or perhaps even kind of recognizing the intensity of
      the problem. I—I think particularly younger people with this style can sometimes be
      perceived as maybe even, uh, you know, a little naive or as a little green because, you
      know, because of their ideals and their more kind of chipper attitudes and their
      inclination to kind of see the best in everyone.
      When someone has a drastically different opinion than they do, you know, this—people
      with a style, they’re usually open to saying, well, hey, you know, I mean, maybe—
      maybe it’s actually me. Maybe I’m the one who’s mistaken, you know, maybe I should
      be the one who reconsiders my opinion. In fact, the—the portion of the Everything
      DiSC® map that’s on the exact opposite side of this style, um, that’s the portion of the
      map that’s identified as being very stubborn and strong-willed. That’s the exact opposite
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      of the style we’re talking about here. And, you know, and so being accepting, you know,
      it does open a person up a little bit to being manipulated or taken advantage of.
      And part of this is about a choice in values. Really, would—would I rather err on the side
      of trusting someone who I shouldn’t or would I rather err on the side of doubting
      someone that I should trust. You know, and by and large, people with the Si style would
      rather make the mistake of being taken in too easily than to assume the worst about
      people. Whereas for other people, you know, because of their pride, the choice is clear
      for them. You know, under no circumstances do I ever want to look foolish, you know.
      I’d much rather be seen as cold and uncaring than ever be seen as a sucker.
      And so, related to this, you know, the Si style, they tend to be very patient with people
      and actually, you know, even—sometimes even more patient with people than they
      should be, giving people too many chances or, you know, they learn to live with delays
      and obstacles without showing too much frustration. So as a leader, for instance, you
      know, this can earn them very high marks for being receptive and being open to input
      and being supportive of other people. But it also tends to earn them lower marks for
      creating momentum and for getting results, you know.
      And—and again, recall those core needs that we were talking about at the beginning.
      The priority is put on kind of acceptance and connectedness and harmony, all right.
      These priorities are much more about people than they are about getting results. In fact,
      oftentimes when there is a strong focus on results within this style, it’s because they
      don’t want to disappoint or anger other people. The focus is still very much on
      relationships, you know, it’s—it’s not that nagging sense of internal pressure some
      people feel to kind of just produce results because my value is based on what I
      produce, you know. In kind of a—a task oriented business world, the Si style is the one
      that can help bring perspective.
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      You know, they’re able to stop and say, hey, listen, you know, we’re not necessarily
      curing cancer here. No children are going to die if this doesn’t happen on time, you
      know. No one ever died wishing they spent more time at the office, you know. They
      recognize that life is about more than kind of just meeting deadlines and making profits,
      you know. Life’s about family and friends and giving back to other people. And—and so
      in some respects, this can create a very psychologically healthy climate that helps
      people balance personal and professional obligations.
      But, you know, there is—there is a cost, right. And it’s, I think, easy for people with this
      type of mindset to fall into a more comfortable place. The idea of balance can very
      easily kind of come to equal leisure. And so, you know, if I’m a leader or a manager with
      this style, when someone makes an excuse, I’m less likely to experience it as a, you
      know, as a quote, “an excuse”. You know, I’m—I’m quick to see their perspective. I’m
      quick to recognize that there often are special circumstances in life, you know, and I
      also—I instinctively understand that, you know, the things I care about, they’re not
      necessarily going to be the things that the other person cares about. You know, I see
      the validity in their excuses, whereas other people might just look at the bottom line.
      In most situations, however, there really are an unlimited number of, quote unquote,
      “valid excuses” that could be found and justified, you know. Someone can always find a
      reason for why they were late or why their work was sloppy. You know, if people don’t
      have a mentality that some sacrifices will need to be made and really that some
      discomfort will have to be endured to get things done, there’s always going to be a
      reason that things kind of had to move slower. And, you know, for my part, as a leader,
      it’s really tough even asking people to make sacrifices, let alone expecting them to
      make sacrifices, you know.
      I want them to be comfortable and satisfied. I want them to be happy, you know. It
      reflects this really fundamental drive to understand other people’s experiences and
      needs. It’s this unspoken assumption that this is what’s important in life, not results, you
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      know, not status, not even necessarily accuracy, but connecting to other people, to
      helping people. But as a leader, you know, I must also communicate that sacrifices—
      they are something that needs to be expected at times.
      And, you know, this is one of the reasons that in the 360 results that I mentioned earlier,
      that the area where Si leaders get rated the the second lowest is setting high
      expectations, you know. Pushing people—that—that feels kind of icky, you know.
      Forgiveness, on the other hand, that that feels natural. And typically in this style, people
      are really quick to forgive, you know, for a couple of reasons. One, because they trust
      other people’s intentions are generally, you know, fundamentally good. But two,
      because they’re also—they’re very anxious to repair their relationship and, you know,
      rebuild the relationship and restore harmony, you know. I want to look past people’s
      surface flaws and see the real goodness inside. So I put people’s behavior in the best
      possible light and give the most positive possible interpretation of someone’s behavior.
      Now, at this point, I do, you know, I want to pull back a little bit and introduce this idea of
      driving assumptions, and these are unspoken belief system that that really each of us
      has, you know. They’re beliefs that are usually well outside of our awaren ess, but
      they’re assumptions that we have about how the world works. And, you know, it’s
      because they’re assumptions and because they’re unconscious, we don’t usually
      question them, you know, we just kind of assume that they’re true. So, for instance, for
      the Si style, one of the assumptions might be: if my world isn’t in harmony, things are
      bad.
      And I call it a driving assumption because this little belief, you know, that we you know,
      we probably came up with it when we were three or four years old. It drives a huge
      amount of our behavior. And these assumptions drive a huge amount of how we
      interpret the events in our life. So for the rest of this talk, I want to discuss some of
      these assumptions. And if you have an Si style, you might find yourself torn. You might
      find yourself saying on the one hand, you know, well, that’s kind of just—that
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      assumption is just kind of plain stupid, right? I’d be pretty embarrassed to admit I
      believed something like that. At the same time, though, there might also be some part of
      you, maybe a small part, that—that actually does believe it. You know, you don’t
      necessarily want to really admit it, but you kind of know it’s there, you know.
      But I think the thing you should know, though, is that this is true for everyone, you know.
      We all have these unspoken beliefs about the world that, on the surface, they look
      ridiculous, and, you know, they’re even embarrassing at times, you know? And, you
      know, if you examine them in the light of day, it’s like, oh my gosh, this is how a child
      sees the world. This isn’t how an adult thinks. But to the degree that these assumptions
      really are legitimately there and they’re going on in the background and we continue to
      kind of go on not owning them or refusing to acknowledge them, they have that much
      more power to kind of shape our lives and to guide us towards decisions that aren’t
      necessarily always in our best interest.
      All right, so here’s another driving assumption, and if you have this style, you know, give
      it a try, try it on. Ask yourself if there is some part of you, you know, even if it is a small
      part of you, that the kind of believes this or—or some close cousin of this. So here it is: I
      should never be the source of someone else’s unhappiness. It’s a very simple statement
      but it can also have a really powerful influence on our behavior. And the statement can
      take, you know, it can take a lot of different forms, like, um: I should never burden other
      people, or: nobody should ever think I’m selfish. If someone is displeased with me, I’ve
      done something wrong, you know. But the basic theme here is really not making other
      people unhappy, not troubling them.
      Okay, so think about all the ways that this assumption would affect someone’s behavior
      if—if they really, really had incorporated it into their worldview. So one implication is
      something that we just talked about, you know, not burdening anyone or, um, you know,
      keeping things inside, internalizing them, not asking for favors, not asking for help, you
      know, being willing to take on this, you know, immense workload by ourselves and
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      dealing with the frustration internally rather than potentially upsetting a relationship, uh,
      or—or not telling people that we’re unhappy with them, um, and even to some degree
      kind of putting the blame on ourselves, you know, worrying about situations where we
      might have offended someone.
      And so, if you have this style, you probably have a strong instinct to protect other
      people’s feelings. And in fact, it—it really may not even occur to you how much energy
      is being consumed in the background trying to understand and cater to other people.
      You may not, you know, realize just how much more efficient it really would be to just
      tell people what you’re thinking without filtering it to adjust for their emotional response.
      Oftentimes with this style, when they’re talking to someone, you know, they’re running
      through a variety of different ways to phrase things, kind of to be least offensive. But on
      the other hand, kind of the downside of this is kind of it can make them appear a little bit
      hesitant or even unassertive when they’re talking.
      And in the head of the style, there’s—there can almost be this kind of unconscious
      assumption that they should be living up to the other person’s expectations. So if, for
      example, um, the other person is showing impatience in the conversation, you know, I
      see that, and now I work extra hard to kind of speed things up or to get them the
      information they want really quickly. You know, basically, I feel this internal pressure to
      attend to the other person’s expectations of how the conversation should go. And so if
      you take this a step further, the idea of being outright aggressive is usually pretty hard
      for someone with this style. You know, after years and years of informal training, the
      brain is telling them that aggressiveness—that’s the behavior of a bad person. You
      know, it violates this core principle of do no harm.
      And so even showing forcefulness in—in smaller ways is often avoided. And so if you
      work with a lot of strong personalities and you also you find it really exhausting to use
      force, your needs and your ideas are unfortunately going to get dismissed a lot. And
      most people with the Si style actually do recognize this, and in fact, you know, they
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      really can be very self-conscious about being seen as timid. On the other hand, you
      know, mustering up the energy and the force necessary to get their say really can be
      exhausting, especially in the long run. Generally speaking, though, they just, you know,
      they really don’t want to be in an environment where they constantly have to fight, they
      constantly have to push.
      Now, I—I do want to pull back again to the big picture here, because, again, all these
      tendencies I’ve been talking about, they really can be traced back to this driving
      assumption that I should never be the source of someone else’s unhappiness. And so if
      you have this style and you really have internalized this belief, it—it actually does, all
      this stuff really, really makes sense, as that, you know, you wouldn’t want to be
      aggressive and that you would want to please people in a conversation and that you
      wouldn’t want to impose on anyone. And even that, you know, I’m—I’m going to be very
      slow to kind of push back against someone. And in this light, all of these habits, they
      really make perfect sense.
      And I think there’s also another important driving assumption, one that’s very much
      related to this, which people with this style sometimes find rattling around in the back of
      their heads. And again, it’s, you know, it’s not true for everyone, but it is worth
      considering. So, it’s this: I can show my value by helping people. And one of the really
      key words in this sentence is value. You know, it doesn’t really feel like a key word, but
      it actually is crucial. You know, one of the core needs that every human being shares,
      no matter who you are, is this need to feel like we’re valuable, you know, that we have
      worth. We all have this need in common.
      But on the other hand, we can have very different ideas about what gives a person
      value. You know, sometimes we think it’s about our accomplishments, sometimes about
      getting attention or being connected with another person or about being competent. You
      know, again, these can be very, very unconscious assumptions and, you know, not
      necessarily the kind of things that we’re always proud to admit. You know, everybody
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      has them. And so for this style, one of those assumptions is about my value being
      shown when I help people, or another way to phrase this is: I’m valuable because I
      make other people happy.
      And so to the degree that someone does have this assumption going on in the back of
      their heads, they’re going to be very accommodating, you know. They’re going to adjust
      to other people’s needs and perhaps minimize their own needs. They’re going to let
      other people know that they’re always there to help, that, you know, they’re going to
      have difficulty saying no, because a good person, in this framework, a good person
      helps others. It’s just part of what makes me a decent human being.
      And one of the other qualities that you often see with this style is—is a strong
      willingness to listen, you know, a willingness to really put in whatever amount of time
      that it takes helping the other person feel like they’re important and that their concerns
      matter. You know, the idea of cutting someone off, it just doesn’t feel like an option. You
      know, you’re not allowed to do that. So there’s a lot more time spent listening than
      speaking. In fact, a lot of times people with this style just kind of assume that others
      don’t maybe have as much interest in hearing about their experiences or their ideas,
      you know, worry that they might be boring people.
      And so as a consequence, they can be kind of hesitant or tentative when speaking, you
      know, always testing out the waters to make sure the other person is really still
      interested, which, uh—which actually that behavior may in turn actually cause the
      person to be less interested because the other person actually isn’t picking up on the
      passion for what’s being said. And, you know, and that inherently just isn’t as engaging.
      But the listening, right, that is something that people really, really appreciate, you know,
      although sometimes it really does take them a while to realize just how much they
      appreciate it. You know, it can be subtle.
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      Being a good listener, almost by definition, that doesn’t draw attention to itself. But it
      really is so needed. I mean, really, how often do you have someone else who is, like,
      truly listening and, you know, truly showing this kind of intense interest in your world?
      And that feels good. You know, it’s validating. And for the listener, the person with the Si
      style, there really—I mean, there generally is an interest in the other person’s life. But
      there also it sometimes is kind of, I think, a secondary motivation. And some of it kind of
      ties back to this assumption that I can show my value by helping people. And listening—
      really, that earns appreciation, sometimes even affection.
      And so sometimes early on in life, people with this style realize that, hey, you know, this
      is actually a pretty effective strategy for connecting with people for for fitting in. You
      know, I ask questions. I listen, I show interest. This is a really reliable tool in a social
      setting. And so over a lifetime, people with this style, they really hone this listening skill.
      And even bigger than that, they hone this kind of natural attentiveness to other people’s
      needs and they—they learn to pick up on the happiness cues or the sadness cues or
      the anger cues. And this can really be a tremendous asset that they don’t even realize
      that they have.
      And because there is naturally a higher willingness to be vulnerable in this style, they do
      also tend to be kind of more comfortable empathizing with people, expressing
      compassion in an unselfconscious way. Whereas for other people, this kind of stuff, you
      know, it just feels a little too intimate, you know, maybe a little too touchy feely, you
      know, especially in a professional environment. But with the Si style, there’s such a
      comfortable, approachable quality to this style that this type of connection, it feels
      natural and just unforced. It’s—it’s sincere, you know, even if they’re not naturally
      interested in a topic, people with the style, though, often find their interest in an area
      because it’s a way to connect with another person and another human being in a way to
      enter into their world.
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      And when I pay attention at this level, I really start to understand what’s important to
      them. And now I’m in a position to give encouragement and praise that—it’s especially
      powerful to them because I know what they care about. You know, to a lot of people,
      listening at this level, that feels like a waste of time. You know, they get impatient. But to
      the Si style, why wouldn’t I choose to spend my time like this, you know? If one of my
      core values is connecting with people, then, yeah, you know, of course I’m going to
      choose to invest my time like this. In fact, with that 360 data I was talking about earlier,
      the Si and the iS styles, one of the areas where they got their highest ratings was in
      being approachable, you know, higher ratings than any other style.
      Leaders with this style are just really good at maintaining solid, informal relationships
      with everyone, you know. It feels like a personal relationship because it is. One of their
      strongest gifts as a leader is to create that sense of cohesion. People feel personally
      connected to the leader and, you know, even personally connected to each other and
      members of the team. And as a result, it’s much more likely that the group perceives
      themselves as a team rather than just a group of individuals working together towards
      the same goal, right. Cohesion, familiarity, trust: these are a huge asset when it comes
      to a team.
      Now, let’s take kind of the—the flip side of that, which is, you know, of cohesion, which
      is conflict, and—and that’s pretty uncomfortable for this style, you know. Basically,
      conflict, that’s the exact opposite of harmony. So it—it really makes sense that even the
      vague potential for conflict can be really stressful. And the Si style will not only avoid the
      things that cause conflicts, but they can often avoid the things that cause the things that
      cause conflict, like, for instance, uh, you know, generally avoiding argumentative
      people, you know, and so when they find themselves being forced to work with a really
      aggressive person, they may be inclined to cave in in the moment, but then they’ll kind
      of go out of their way to avoid working with that person in the future because really, I
      mean, you know, frankly, having to argue for every point that you need to make or to get
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      your perspective across is, you know, that’s exhausting. And I think it’s particularly
      exhausting for this style.
      And because conflict can be so uncomfortable for this style, they oftentimes find
      themselves in group situations playing the peacemaker role, really trying to make
      everyone happy or to find compromises and oftentimes putting aside their own needs
      and so they can just really focus on getting harmony restored, which, in respect—in
      some respects, you know, that is their need, right. So they’re putting some of their more
      surface needs across because their need really is to have kind of the harmony in the
      group. And it’s interesting because in many instances, this need for harmony even
      extends to kind of the ideas that are being discussed in a group, right.
      You know, let’s—let’s take, for instance, in a meeting, you know, there’s this really
      strong drive to make ideas work, you know, especially if it’s someone else’s idea. The
      emotional reward for making an idea work is that it reduces the tension in the grou p,
      you know. There’s the tension of not knowing, right, that, you know, trying to figure out
      something that you don’t know. There’s, you know, there’s also kind of the tension of
      having to push to come up with an idea, that—that mental struggle, kind of that creative
      tension. There’s also the kind of the tension of having to disagree with someone or
      having to shoot down their idea.
      And so people with this style, they usually come across as very agreeable when
      someone else pitches an idea, you know, but what they might not realize in the
      moment, though, is that actually some people are actually even more likely to respect
      the opinion of another person who is known to be challenging or skeptical. And, you
      know, on the other hand, someone who’s seen as always being agreeable, they can
      appear, for right or wrong, they can appear to be less discerning or to be less of a
      critical thinker, regardless of how sharp the person actually is.
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      But actually, back to conflict. The initial instinct for this style then is to really smooth
      things over, but when things really do get heated, one of the tendencies is to just shut
      down and kind of silently wait for the tension to pass. And on—on the surface, it usually
      looks like this style is like really calm and they’re not too bothered by it. But underneath,
      there really can be a whole lot of stress going on, you know, knowing that someone is
      mad at me or it really has—even just has the potential of being mad at me that’s going
      to eat away at me. You know, it’s that lack of acceptance, you know, a lack of
      connection and, you know, a lack of harmony. In fact, in general, this style really has
      this tendency to internalize their stress—to—to—to put a lot of pressure on themselves
      mentally to figure things out, to—to not burden other people with the weight of their
      problems.
      And actually, one of the things that you do sometimes see are these kind of alternating
      or opposing strategies within this style of, you know, ruminating on the one hand and
      then on the other hand, really kind of just glossing over things in their minds, you know,
      putting things out of mind or pretending everything is just fine, you know, maybe even—
      maybe even just kind of bordering on denial in some cases. But both approaches, both
      of these approaches that I’ve talked about, they can be adaptive and helpful at times,
      but they can also really have their downsides, you know, obviously.
      Ruminating, you know, things like fretting over problems or playing them over and over
      in your head, right—in essence, this is this strategy to kind of reduce tension or to get
      harmony by replaying an incident in my head, hoping that, you know, this time when I
      replay it, I’m going to get some resolution, I’m going to get some closure, I’m going to
      figure something out. But of course, and the research backs this up, that I rarely actually
      do get that sense of closure by ruminating, you know. I just actually stress myself out.
      And you can kind of show this in a laboratory setting as well.
      Now, if you do have this style, as you’ve gotten older and, you know, hopefully more
      mature, maybe more mature, you may have developed, you know, more comfort with
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      other strategies for dealing with conflict, you know, maybe, um—maybe more direct
      strategies. But that instinct for harmony really is kind of always pulling us back from the
      fray a little bit, telling us to just, you know, nagging us to just kind of end th is thing as
      quickly as possible with as little bloodshed as possible. And so, you know, there’s
      always a little bit of that temptation to kind of just withdraw or cave in just so we can
      have the peace again.
      But on the positive side, you know, particularly as this style matures, there’s often this
      openness and sincerity in conflict, you know, and I mean, after the initial blow up has
      happened, you know. When things are really heated, you know, we can all act in some
      pretty unpredictable ways. But after that initial intensity of the emotion has passed, this
      style is often really kind of almost quicker to kind of return to that sincere, open posture
      in—for discussing an issue, which can really feel foreign to some other people who
      might still be very guarded or cynical in those moments, you know, still defending their
      turf for their position.
      On the other hand, though, you know, I don’t want to minimize the sense of hurt that
      often comes in the midst of these situations. The sense that, you know, if you were
      willing to put me through this inner turmoil, you know, how much could you really care
      about me, you know? How could you do this to me? Because, again, the experience of
      conflict from, you know, for this style is often very raw and it kind of shakes his core
      needs, you know, for—for acceptance, for connection, for harmony.
      And so unlike some other people who can compartmentalize a fight, you know, this is
      an ordeal. And even if it’s not a rational thought, I can sometimes feel like, you know, I
      really feel like the mere act of fighting with me is a sign that, you know, you must not
      really care about my feelings, not even to mention the things that cause the fight in the
      first place. Because the connection is so important to me and because I made myself so
      vulnerable and I trusted you to handle my feelings with care, it sometimes can feel like a
      little bit of a betrayal.
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      Okay, but even having said that, getting back to what I was mentioning earlier, when the
      other person does extend an olive branch, you know, and—and makes it clear that they
      don’t want to be in tension anymore, you know, people with this style, they’re—they’re
      usually very quick to jump on board, you know, maybe even forgive some people that—
      that they shouldn’t forgive, again because of these core needs: connection, harmony,
      acceptance. So, you know, well, one option is, you know, I could hold on to my anger or
      resentment or, you know, I could immediately have all of these core needs met, you
      know? Hmm. Yeah, I think I’ll take the second one, right.
      And in that sense, you know, reconciliation, that’s—it’s particularly tempting. And so this
      is one of the reasons why the Si style can be so good at focusing on the win-win in a
      conflict situation, really showing a willingness to give up some of their position and also
      showing a willingness to—to shift perspectives and see things from another person’s
      point of view. And that is so, so difficult to do when you’re really mad at someone. You
      know, if I’m mad at you, it feels like I shouldn’t have to take your perspective because
      you’re just wrong, you know, and—or we’re tempted to create a straw man argument,
      you know, a really weak description of the other person’s side.
      But to genuinely swallow my pride and empathize with how someone else might be
      thinking, that’s—that’s extremely difficult to do in the midst of a fight. And I—I’m not
      saying that the Si style can always do this, but they’re often quicker to do it than the
      other styles. And when it comes to hashing things out, you know, taking the first turn at
      listening and sitting while the other person says all of these things that to me feel
      misleading or a distortion of what really happened—you know, that takes a lot of
      discipline and this style tends to be really good at it.
      So that’s a bit about interpersonal conflict, you know, the good and the bad things.
      There’s a related area that I wanted to get into briefly, which is about the reaction that
      this style can sometimes have to resistance. At the very beginning of the podcast, we
      talked about one of the defining characteristics of this style is positivity, acceptance.
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      And within the Everything DiSC® model, you know, that circular model, there’s often a—
      a classic distinction that’s made between people who fall on the left side of the circle
      and people who fall on the right, right, the right side being the Si and iS styles.
      So on the right side, people over here, they’re naturally inclined to see the world as a
      much friendlier place. It’s a place where people are, you know, generally good. They
      generally can be trusted to do the right thing. Compare that to the other side of the circle
      where people are inherently more skeptical, you know, are—are much more likely to
      assume that life’s going to be tough and you got to be tough to get through it. If you
      have this mentality and you run across a messy problem, well, you’re not surprised. You
      know, you expect things to be difficult. You know, this is one of the reasons that the left
      side of the circle is so associated with being kind of very determined and very strong
      willed.
      But on the other hand, you know, if I expect that the world is a very kind of friendly,
      enjoyable place, when I run across that kind of same messy problem, well, you know
      what’s going on in my brain? Well, one of the potential reactions is, you know, part of
      my brain is just saying, hey, you know, this isn’t—this isn’t how my day is supposed to
      be going. There’s got to be something more pleasant I could be doing, you know,
      there’s got to be a smoother path, you know, this is this is the opposite of harmony. And
      so perhaps even unconsciously, you know, I might steer myself away from those kind of
      more stubborn, complicated tasks and more towards the ones that—that come naturally
      to me.
      Now, you know, there’s a related psychological principle here called cognitive ease.
      Basically it says that people—and this is pretty much all of us, no matter who you are—
      that people will generally take the path that requires the least cognitive effort. So, for
      instance, we’re much more willing to pay attention to information if it confirms what we
      already believe compared to contradicting information, because it’s easier to kind of go
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      on having the same opinion than it is to challenge that opinion. Our brain really does
      this thing where it just automatically does that. The brain wants to conserve energy.
      And again, we all do this. And all I’m suggesting here is that there can kind of be this
      heightened tendency to take the path of least resistance within this Si style, you know,
      precisely because there is more of a positive expectation about the world and a positive
      expectation about what life should be like. So what might be an implication of this? Well,
      one good example, I think is—really is in-depth analysis, which isn’t necessarily always
      kind of the favorite pastime of this style, you know, particularly those analytical tasks
      that require someone to really kind of continue to push and push to understand
      something when the insight is coming very, very slowly or when things feel really
      confusing at those initial stages and the only way for me to really gain mastery over this
      topic is to just keep doing this kind of thankless work, you know, the drudgery and the—
      the frustration.
      And, you know, and again, my brain is telling me over and over again, you know, hey,
      hey, listen, you know, who’s in charge here? Isn’t there something more pleasant we
      could be doing with our time? I mean, you know, come on, this thing clearly doesn’t
      even want to be understood, right. And so, you know, as we talked about before, that—
      that—there’s also that kind of little voice that says, you know, if things don’t feel
      harmonious, something is wrong, you know? And here is a time where the path of least
      resistance is really tempting for this style, is to just kind of to walk away from this—this
      analytical, really stubborn thing and find something that’s much more comfortable to do,
      something that’s going to come much more naturally.
      In fact, um, you know, when I look at the kind of people who are often most committed
      to sticking with these unpleasant analytical tasks, it’s often the people whose selfesteem is—is very much tied to their sense of mastery of the world or to their sense of
      expertise. And, you know, from that mindset, it’s a necessity to master this topic and the
      eventual reward of understanding it makes the pain of going through it all worthwhile.
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      And, you know, and they become experts. And—and that’s really nice to have in their
      back pockets. And so, you know, there’s that inclination to stick with it until everything
      clicks like that.
      But on the other hand, there—there can also be that temptation to say, well, this is just
      good enough, right, you know, and just to find the shortcut that will decrease the pain
      and means I can stop doing this—this—this painful task. And if you have this iS style or
      Si style, you know, and to the degree that my brain is begging for harmony and
      positivity, you know, that good enough path, that path of least resistance, that might be
      tempting enough that it’s the path that I take. Basically what I’m describing here is
      acquiring skills or knowledge on those occasions when they feel, you know, really, really
      complicated or inaccessible or just, you know, impenetrable. For instance, for me
      personally, um, it’s about understanding how my computer works, you know, much
      beyond the superficial stuff, right. That just doesn’t come naturally to me, you know, so
      how much time do I really want to spend figuring it out, you know, is the question.
      And—and if I have this more go with the flow mindset, maybe it’s not a whole bunch of
      time that I’m going to spend doing this. And—and that has the potential to impact a
      variety of other choices in my life. Basically, those times when I’m faced with a choice
      between one thing that’s more harmonious and then one thing that’s less harmonious,
      you know, particularly in the short term. For instance, I can think of many times in my
      own life when, you know, I’ve just—I’ve lived with a problem for quite a while because at
      any given point in the moment, you know, the prospect of tackling it was just really
      unharmonious, you know?
      And in hindsight, I—what I was doing is I was just kind of enabling this really drawn out
      period of discomfort so I wouldn’t have to endure kind of a sharp, immediate pang of
      discomfort. So, you know, maybe it was things like, um, giving someone feedback that I
      really needed to give them, but I kept putting it off. Or maybe it was, you know,
      disciplining someone or bringing up a problem on my team, you know, that’s going to
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      disrupt the harmony that’s, you know, really so important to me. And, you know,
      connected to that is that—this voice just below the surface of me that’s saying, you
      know, I should never be the source of someone else’s unhappiness.
      So now I do want to kind of be clear about a few things as I’m wrapping up here. You
      know, this this description, it certainly isn’t true of everyone with this style. You know, I
      really am just describing broad trends. And so if you have this style, it may not describe
      you, but I think it is worth taking some time to kind of reflect on your patterns and
      wonder, you know: is there something to this for me? And then a second point I want to
      reiterate is that there is very much a positive side to this, you know. Even if I do have
      this tendency to go with the path of least resistance, this is a big part of what allows me
      to be flexible, to—to bend, you know, to be open to another person’s point of view. Like
      pretty much all psychological traits, there are both kind of strengths and challenges that
      come with it.
      All right, so, really, you know, there’s a lot of information here, uh, a lot of different
      dimensions that we talked about. And so, you know, how do you make sense of all of it
      or rather how do you put it to use? Well, I’ll just make one broad suggestion and it’s
      about these driving assumptions. I think a practice that’s really powerful in terms of our
      growth as people is to simply monitor not only our behavior, but also our thoughts and
      start to notice when these assumptions are being played out in the background.
      And so let me just kind of give you a reminder of what the assumptions were that we
      talked about, maybe add a few new ones. There are certainly going to be some of these
      that don’t fit for you. You know, the question is more about if there are any of them
      that—that—that do fit or maybe there’s kind of a close cousin of one of these that fits.
      Okay, so here are some of them: If my world isn’t in harmony, things are bad. Or,
      related to that: if things don’t feel harmonious, something is wrong. Or: I can show my
      value by helping people. When I see others in need, I must help them. I am responsible
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      for people’s happiness. I must be accepted. It is intolerable to have someone mad at
      me.
      Again, this whole exercise is about becoming more aware of when these assumptions
      are driving our behavior or our thoughts or emotions. And sometimes these
      assumptions are realistic. But, you know, sometimes they’re not. Really, though, the first
      step is about becoming more consciously aware of them so that I can make my
      decisions and my choices in a—in a deliberate fashion. And if an assumption is realistic,
      then, you know, that’s great. I run with it. But if the assumptions are not realistic, then
      what I do is I learn to challenge it and replace it with a statement that’s more accurate,
      that’s more fitting for the circumstances. And absolutely this—this takes a lot of time and
      deliberate effort. But ultimately, what I end up with is having more control over how I see
      the world and really how I interact with it.
      All right, well, thank you, everyone, for your time.
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